In the level 2 course on YT, Drake tried using hemp in the 2nd video as a substrate for IMO3. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the next video in the series, so do not know if that experiment worked out or not.
Hemp is a really cheap resource here, and it would be awesome if we could use it in this process.
Also, for non-tropical growers, what have been some successful alternatives to wheat mill run for you?
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I was watching a YouTube video made more recently, now that Chris Trump is in Idaho? At any rate, he stated that his latest favorite for IMO3 is crimped oats.
Not free for me in Southwestern Ontario Canada, but doable and that’s better than wheat bran (quite cheap here, relatively speaking). Crimped oats is naturally carb plus carbon, I’m pretty sure, and if it gets too hot (I’m not allowed to make IMO until spring, lol…hubby thinks it’s just pointless now that we’re headed into winter), I can cover with wood chips. I still have to make OHN.
I’m thinking maybe it’s a good idea to start this all in the fall, so I have time to make some of the longer process inputs.
- Great, thanks for all that info. Which video are you referencing? Chris’ latest video is a year old on YT, and I couldnt find one referencing oats. Where abouts in Ontario? I grew up in Toronto, but now live in central France. I have the same thinking when it comes to prepping it all now, then starting the fun in spring! Just ordered some jars for OHN, found a trout farm for the guts and starting to scope local plants that I can use for FPJ in the spring! Now to figure out how the frenchies say “Crimped oats”…..
- Well, I’ve been binge watching KNF on YouTube, and Chris has been interviewed and mentioned in passing that his latest experiment with IMO3 used crimped oats, or something along that line, I’ll see if I can find the video…maybe I saved it? lol. I’m in a little town, Tavistock, close to Stratford. France, hmmm, well, if they have feed stores and horses, you could be in luck… Personally I’m awaiting angelica root to start OHN, then I have to start getting the vodka…the most $$ part. So, I think the crimped oats is either in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQZk7tlpN8g or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tO-ELv_l9E – there’s another Chris Trump video with Shaping Fire… well, search his videos, I saw another on IMO done within the past year… off to watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFQy39L4go
- Ya I have also been in a Corona-induced knf binge, hehe. Thanks for all your help and attention. And good luck in your experiments! Can’t wait for spring!
- Chris trump uses a wood box with slits in it for air for indoor IMO3 making iv been testing making IMO3 in a cardboard box (boot box) with holes cut in it with decent results i know i got not a good collection of IMO1 so i feel i wont get great results with anything i use to make IMO3 this yr but while winter is here im going to try to step up the size of the box and make IMO3 in my semi heated garage/basement …my thought is a cardboard box is just a wooden box in another form and it may not last as long but its free …..love the idea of crimped oats can get that at the feed store pretty cheap and if its a 2-n-1 that makes it so much easier….i also am taking the time during the winter months to make my inputs ( as gardeners what else r we supposed to do when there is 2-3 ft of snow on the ground lol ) i think if we can make our inputs during the off season it will help in our short 140 day grow season in the north east to have everything ready and i feel it makes for a good time to do it things might take a lil longer due to the cold but where i am i got 7 months of cold to wait for things to take there time lol …. i just bought some Gin to make OHN by what the recipe calls for to make OHN in a quart jar will take 3gal of liquor that is 7 1.75L jugs i did not realize how much was needed when i started in retrospect i would have used 16 oz jars not 32oz jars to save myself some money on the alky but on the bright side ill have OHN for yrs now lolololol
- Yes, making our inputs in the off season is a great idea, it’s what I’m trying to do! I’ve started making OHN, nearly had a heart attack buying some vodka, lol… this is not a cheap thing to make. Thankfully I do not have any 1/2 gallon jars, and there is a canning jar shortage, so I did start with the 16 oz jars. As for Chris Trump’s IMO3 – he actually mixes it in a cement mixer, then puts it in a breathable cedar box to turn weekly. I don’t know about cardboard… I’m just going to wait until spring and make it outside – hahaha, that’s assuming I can get a good IMO1 collection. I gave up on outside IMO1 collection and am now on try #5, probably should stop counting, it’s too depressing, it’s try #2 indoors – first try I didn’t leave it alone.
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Thanks for your response!
Is that ratio by weight or volume?
- that is a big question to answer cause i think it really depends on what u r using i believe Master Cho uses rice byproducts so in his case id guess its by weight same with Chris Trump with his nut byproducts due to the fact that they more then likely have about the same weights but when u start using alternatives i think its more a judgment thing ie in my case i used grain and charcoal 10 lbs of grain and 10 lbs of charcoal r vastly different in volume even after busting up the lump charcoal into “wood chip” size pieces so i used about 10lbs of grain and more charcoal then grain by volume but it would have less by weight then 10lbs so id say weight is a good place to start but take into consideration what u r using and make the best judgment call u can and if u fail learn from it try to figure out what went wrong and change it next time —The difference between the Master and the Apprentice is that the Master has failed more times then the Apprentice has even tried— never be afraid of something not working out in natural farming it can always just go in the compost —Side Note— Experiment small figure out what works best for u and go from there
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the main thing to think of is u want Carbs and Carbon at a 50/50 to 60/40 ratio to make IMO3 the Carbs r food the Carbon is the hotel if u think of it like this u will find 100s of alternatives and the ones that r cheapest or even better free are the best to use for u – one of the greatest ideas of natural farming is the ingredients r not really specific its use what u have – chris trump uses nut shells and nut left over from his nut farm drake iv seen use grain and wood chips iv most recently used cracked corn and grains (old chicken feed from a friend) and hardwood lump charcoal ( for my BBQ ) its about remembering Carbs n Carbon and use what u got
- The leaky bucket with char is a great idea, I might gonna try that myself. I’m also new to KNF, the reason I asked about the mycelium in your mix is because I was thinking to just do the same, or similar at least, getting a bag of general animal feed mix, loaded with grains and see how it works. I know that in theory it should work, but it’s already encouraging to know your practical results. I think it will work, but the real question is: will it be as good or potent as when using wheat/rice millrun? The only way to know for sure is by using a microscope and compare, or using the low tech aproach, which is just using the final IMO4 in the garden and see the results. Right now I’m trying with shredded carob pods in order to make IMO3, I think it worked out fine. Although I didn’t get visible mycelium the pile has always been very warm, so yesterday I gave it a shot and started my IMO4 pile. Less then 24h in, the pile is still warm and now I spotted a fuzzy chunk just like the one we can see in Chris Trump’s video “how to IMO3”. SO I’m confident that there is at least some fungal activity happening, let’s see how it goes.
- that was my same thought when my buddy gave me the chicken feed a 50lb bag of grain is like $8-9 at the feed store lump char is $5-6 for a big bag that would make plenty for a season or 2 …. carob thats a substitute for chocolate aint it? i would think that would work great starch, sugar and the pod shell dried would be good carbon too u could try running some seed through a food processer to make carob flour that might help increase the fungal growth …. thats awesome your pile is getting hot and showing signs of life theres definitely gotta be some good fungal growth going on in there ….. good luck hope it goes great
- GREAT discussion! Thanks guys!
- That’s right, it can be used as a substitute for chocolate, the pod itself tastes great right of the tree, it has no shell, no “skin” to peel, it doesn’t get mushy, it’s just a power bar out of the tree. When its ripe it’s already dry enough so that you can store it right away and not even bother about rotting or getting mold, it can also last for years, I have still some I picked 3 or 4 years ago and still looking/tasting good. It is also naturally high in fiber (around 7g) so I woud say the carbon content of the pod is enough for the IMO inoculation and propagation to succeed. It is definetly not as high as the amount found in any nutshell obviously, but still I think it’s good enough, let’s see.
- wow i never knew it was so useful when i was growing up down in FL it grew everywhere i never knew what it was used for it smelt good but was a bit of a nuisance tbh to have to clean up all the time =) but a few yrs ago i got dog treats that where coco mint and noticed it was made with carob and thought o a use for that stuff dog food lol never did i think o super food im going to have to look more into it now it sounds like i could use it has a healthy alternative for chocolate in baking -very cool ty-
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